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07-13-05, 10:42 AM
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InChristAlways
07-14-05, 05:16 PM
Hi DG. I updated from pan-millennial to Full Preterist and even though I believe the bible may be biblically and "physically" fufilled through the destruction of OC Jerusalem, I still read and study every day.

In fact this has actually made the Bible come more alive for me, as I can now understand the OT much better when relating it to the book of revelation and the meaning of the Day of the Lord prophecies become more clear. The bible isn't talking to unbelievers, but believers [as in the 7 churches in revelation]. This not only puts more of the fear of God into His elect, but knowing His love for us will never die out is a comfort [though He may "spank" us once in awhile.:eek:
I believe more scholars are starting to study, translate and interpret that book as more resources are available on the net in the from of better translations, greek/hebrew studies and just more interest in studying God's words.
Anyway, it is nice to discuss scripture somewhere without being called "heretic" as believing the bible is biblically fulfilled has no bearing on my salvation and election thrugh Jesus Christ and God the Father.
I looked up Pan-milleinism on the internet and came across this article.
Blessings.
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http://www.eschatology101.com/testimony.htm

Then in the early seventies, the Jesus movement hit and as a young married adult I was exposed to a lot of pre-millennial dispensationalism:eek: . Part of it seemed to make sense but other aspects seemed contrived. I vacillated for the next 25 years or so without ever making a commitment to any position. That led me to adopt the ever popular pan-millennial position (it will all pan out like God intends).

That suited my comfort level until the day I heard Hank Hanegraaff (http://www.equip.org/) first mention the preterist view. I have an associate degree in Bible and lacked just a few hours having a minor in it from a Christian university. Still, I didn't have a clue what he was talking about but I made a mental note to look into it someday soon. A year or so later, I was looking through a CBD Catalog and saw John Noe's book, Shattering the Left Behind Delusion (http://www.prophecyrefi.org/). I devoured it and my eschatalogical stereogram experience started.

Brandan
07-14-05, 05:29 PM
Well ICA, I don't know if you truly are a full preterist or not. But if you believe that the resurrection has already occurred and are not anticipating the future new heavens and earth, I don't think you believe the whole Gospel truth because those things are part of it. I'm not trying to be offensive or bash you over the head, I'm just stating my humble opinion.

I have a few friends that are full preterists and I hold out hope that in the end they are just being inconsistent in their thinking. Until that time, I cannot embrace them as a brother in the Lord even if we agree on so many other things. I find it quite sad to be honest with you.

This forum used to be home to a lot of preterist discussions. I have denounced the teaching as false, and I will not allow this awful teaching to be promoted here. Neither will I allow dispensationalism to be promoted for that matter. Might I suggest you take a look at historicism? It helped me move from a partial preterist position to a more biblical one.

Anyway, you are welcome to post here ICA and I look forward to some positive comments from you.

Cheers!
Brandan

InChristAlways
07-15-05, 10:19 AM
Well ICA, I don't know if you truly are a full preterist or not. But if you believe that the resurrection has already occurred and are not anticipating the future new heavens and earth, I don't think you believe the whole Gospel truth because those things are part of it. I'm not trying to be offensive or bash you over the head, I'm just stating my humble opinion.
Hi DG. What happens to us after our physical death is beyond even me DG, and why I use revelation to help me understand that, but I don't focus on that as much as living in Christ fully everyday and looking forward to "that day" when I will not only be with the Lord, but be like Him.
Every generation has looked forward to the new "heaven and earth" and return of our Lord, but instead of looking at up in the clouds, we should be focusing on the biggest mystery of all, Christ in us and us in Christ.
If we are In Christ we have been resurrected with Him and will be like Him. The "2 witnesses" being resurrected and the first resurrection in chapt 20 should be studied more deeply to give a better understanding of Paul's explanation on not only the "nature", but maybe a hint of what we will be doing for "eternity" after death, and that is the biggest "mystery" of all to me, which I probably will never know untill I am with Him.

So the Bible is not fully fulfilled to "me" in the sense there are "mysteries" that I haven't "grasped/comprehended from the bible yet and probably never will. Just hard to explain what I mean in that sense.
Blessings.

Colossians 1:27 to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Reve 10;7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.