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    along the same lines

    Here's a quote I came across recently:

    “I follow the ancient Fathers, not as thinking that on such a subject they have the weight they possess in the instance of doctrines or ordinances. When...
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    CM, This phrase: I'm relieved to know that...

    CM,

    This phrase:

    I'm relieved to know that extra-Scriptural traditions are not held equal with the Bible by all Orthodox believers and churches.

    begs the question. Who defines what...
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    Apostates and such

    Hi Kermie,

    You believe the Church fell into error after the death of the Apostles. Fine. You interpret the apostle's writings for yourself and believe according to those rules. Fine.

    But how...
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    Bible Chess

    1 Cor 4:6, (KJV)
    6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written,...
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    comments

    Hi CM, interesting thread. I'm not rolling up my sleeves, just wanted to make a couple of comments on the first article, I just posted and then saw the other links.


    some of them defected to...
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    St. Anthony the Great

    St. Anthony, the first monastic, experienced many struggles with demons in the desert wilderness. You can read the short account of his life written by St. Athanasius at:
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    "exorcism"

    In the Orthodox Church before one is baptized there are three prayers of exorcism prayed by the priest and the candidate renounces Satan and his works three times.

    I am not aware of any prayers of...
  8. Great quotation, kind of a side comment

    “The life in Christ originates in this life and arises from it. It is perfected, however, in the life to come, when we shall have reached that last day. It cannot attain perfection in men’s souls...
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    It always seemed ridiculous to me when I would...

    It always seemed ridiculous to me when I would tell my friends I was thinking of becoming Orthodox and they would say "They still believe in Jesus, don't they?" or "They believe the Bible, don't...
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    can anyone say delusion ?

    can anyone say delusion ?
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    Recommended

    The Primacy of Peter, John Meyendorff, Editor.
    Published by St. Vladimir's Seminary Press. ISBN 0-88141-125-6
    "Essays in Ecclesiology and the Early Church"
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    and no Protestants, practically speaking, use the...

    and no Protestants, practically speaking, use the 'sola scriptura' theory since then either!
  13. Thread: Discipleship

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    discipleship

    I was once in a church ('charismatic) where the pastors tried to implement a 'mentoring' model of discipleship. Of course this was strongly authority-based and the only ones doing the mentoring were...
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    disciple, your invective has not changed; thank...

    disciple, your invective has not changed; thank you.

    Are you so sure that all historians agree on history? are you that naive? I never did say everything in the history of the Church is...
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    cm, Respectfully, I see that it is not...

    cm,

    Respectfully, I see that it is not profitable for me to continue posting, on the other thread either. I am tired of tip-toeing through the TULIP. You insult me when you say I refuse to...
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    cm, disciple, others

    Thanks for the lively discussions. However, as I have an increasing amount of homework and church responsibilities, I am afraid I will have to bow out for a while. I am spending my time here and...
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    cm , In my statement about preserving the...

    cm ,

    In my statement about preserving the Church/Bible I was referring to the 4th-6th centuries. Generally those who believe the Bible was preserved believe the Church at that same time to be...
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    Soli Deo Gloria (no offense)

    So God can preserve the Bible, but He can't preserve the Church at the same time? He had to superintend the Canon until a thousand years later when mankind would determine what it really meant?
    ...
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    Regeneration, Remission, and The Holy Spirit in the Waters of Baptism

    Acts 2:38, (KJV), Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Titus...
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    hi cm, here's a link to an online version of...

    hi cm,

    here's a link to an online version of the book by Irenaeus:

    http://www.ccel.org/i/irenaeus/preaching/htm/TOC.htm

    I have a copy published by St. Vladimir's Seminary Press, translation...
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    Irenaeus

    In the book 'Demonstration of Apostolic Preaching' Irenaeus composes a handbook of the Apostolic preaching as received and preached in his day. He lived in the second century and was second...
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    one voice

    cm,

    Of course, in the area of Papal authority there is a huge difference, but that is not part of original christianity. It only really began to be practiced and put forth after the Western...
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    cm, though differing communions, RC and...

    cm,

    though differing communions, RC and Orthodox are one voice in calling for a return to the primal christianity of our Fathers. protestantism is like running a recovery disc on a computer - its...
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    cm, no bickering. just thought i would...

    cm,

    no bickering.

    just thought i would mention a few things.
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    Originally posted by countrymouse Victor...

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by countrymouse
    Victor Joseph,

    The letter you shared is a lovely expression of a brother's love, and Eric wrote many things in it that are true.

    Nevertheless, the...
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