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    Your "god"

    Well spoken, Kermie. My God did indeed suffer and even die at the hands of men. His name is Jesus. Clearly, your "god" is not Jesus, but your own intellect; or whichever demon it is, he is more...
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    Alan, That is quite a fairy tale, as told by...

    Alan,
    That is quite a fairy tale, as told by modern day reformers. Unfortunately, as demonstrated in their correspondance with the Orthodox Church at Constantinople in the 1570's, the Lutheran...
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    Kermie, Could you please elaborate and give the...

    Kermie,
    Could you please elaborate and give the particular time and on which traditions of the Apostles the Orthodox have strayed? This would be most helpful. Oh, and thank you for popping in.
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    :cool: :D Hello CM, and greetings to all. I...

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    Hello CM, and greetings to all. I just enjoyed a several-day visit by Aletheo, and he mentioned this thread. So I thought I would just interject a thought from St. Ignatius - disciple...
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    The church service you described can best be...

    The church service you described can best be described by the term Postmodernism. Indeed, this effort to make the church culturally relevant has made it scripturally ignorant.

    Grace & Peace to...
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    Re: Primacy of Peter

    I see also that your quote of Cyprian has an omission (...). Just for the record, let's get a look at the complete quote:

    "If any one consider and examine these things, there is no need for...
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    Re: Papal Authority

    Hmmm...if you are imply that the Nestorians are Christians, then my friend that merely demonstrates the depth of your error and unwillingness to face the truth. For in fact, Nestorius and all those...
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    I guess I have to clarify that the omission was...

    I guess I have to clarify that the omission was not intended to deceive. None of the quotes that have spoken of Peters primacy gave credibilty to the "Papal Authority", unless of course they are...
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    Primacy

    Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as, by its outward form, to...
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    Peter had not a primacy over the apostles, but...

    Peter had not a primacy over the apostles, but among the apostles, and Christ said to them "I will build upon myself, I will not be built upon thee."
    -St. Augustine (430 a.d.)

    If you believe that...
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    Pope

    I am not an administrator, but I think we are a bit off topic. Peace to you Victor Joseph. I have enjoyed much of your wisdom. But on the subject of the Pope, I must respectfully point out that...
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    CM said: Assuredly, the apostles passed on...

    CM said:

    Assuredly, the apostles passed on everything that Jesus taught them. And, it may be possible that these things were all recorded in written form. But to say that they wrote it all down...
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    Heh heh, it seems like disciple is doing a lot of...

    Heh heh, it seems like disciple is doing a lot of begging! Anyway, let's take a look at this Sola Scriptura and it's author, Martin Luther.

    "Luther's most positive contribution to Western...
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    Hey, I have been reading the seven ecumenical...

    Hey, I have been reading the seven ecumenical councils of the Church (these are the ones before the split, that is, when there was one Church united in one Faith). At the 7th council (Second Council...
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    I have been following this thread, and find it to...

    I have been following this thread, and find it to be the most captivating of all. (And not just because Aletheo is my older brother). I too have been reading the fathers such as Ignatius, Polycarp,...
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    Heh heh, well spoken! Unfortunately, Disciple's...

    Heh heh, well spoken! Unfortunately, Disciple's parable is not Jesus' parable.

    :D :D
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    Quite impressive, Victor Joseph! Thank you. ...

    Quite impressive, Victor Joseph! Thank you.

    Disciple, please don't waste my time with your self taught knowledge, as that is all that it is. You will never see the truth of the scriptures on...
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    Amen Israelthebride! I see that in the...

    Amen Israelthebride! I see that in the scriptures.
  19. 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 "Moreover brethren I...

    1 Corinthians 15:1-3

    "Moreover brethren I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved....For I delivered to you...
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    No point in continuing with you. If you have...

    No point in continuing with you. If you have found literary "devices" to help you believe error, than so be it.

    Now, Odyssey, we are in agreement that the same group is represented by both...
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    It is unfortunate that it is a bit offensive, the...

    It is unfortunate that it is a bit offensive, the Holy Spirit having revealed this truth to me. Oops, was Paul hesitant to talk about what the H.S. showed him? I do not claim to know everything,...
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    I never said, And I never said Paul...

    I never said,


    And I never said Paul switches terms. The truth of the scriptures, my friend, is not found in the world of intellectual critical exegesis. The truth is found only from the Holy...
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    It would seem then that Odyssey has chosen option...

    It would seem then that Odyssey has chosen option "C", and Disciple has chosen option "A". Hmmm...maybe it should have been a poll.
    :D
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    Re: Titus 2:11

    As far as what I do with the "many" verses, we could reduce this to scripture tennis, but it would achieve nothing. I know we agree that no scripture is to be disregarded. So, on with the thread......
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    I certainly do agree that there are, at times,...

    I certainly do agree that there are, at times, qualifiers for the word all. The point of this thread, however, is not so much syntax, but did Christ die for all of humanity. Some put qualifiers on...
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