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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    if anyone interested in seeing all of the evidence wants to discuss these issues in a safe and friendly environment without fear of being demonized, then come on over to...
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    the point is harald that this is begging the question (circular logic). you are asserting the very thing that you must prove. it is not enough to just mention that they are different words since we...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    OK. here again is something that is just untrue. notice also that there is no reference and nothing directing the people to be able to read it "in context" for themselves to decide if what you are...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    are you serious brandan?! c'mon. talk about ad hominem. when you can't answer the opposition, ban them. i guess that's the protocol now.

    you know what has amazed me in this thread is how quickly...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    so do you think that the Scriptures quoted (deut 10:17, 2 sam 7:15, jer 12.7-8, hos 1.6, 9.15, etc.) indicate that God is mutable? how about the statements from calvin, gill, ursinus, turretin, owen,...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    i do not believe that is the case and those here who are undecided (have not already taken sides) have testified that unequivocally that they haven't seen much from the other side.

    i agree, but...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    i agree that there is the aspect of who is "true" Israel, etc. but how does this have to do with what happened in the OT regarding the nation of Israel. it first says that God loved them then God...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    perhaps it might help to see how exactly you would understand God's love for the reprobate if indeed you believed there was such a thing. if you think that it is anything like the love that He has...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    do you think that i'm saying that he loves those in hell in exactly the same sense that he loves His elect? and how do you read gill in the quote i provided?
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    are you asking this from flynn and i, or from the others?
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    that's just ad hominem.

    i haven't seen any of that supposed evidence posted here. could you summarize the evidence right here (evidence please, not rhetoric. that means, as milt puts it, BCV...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    i just deleted them all. thanks.
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    thanks for your response martin. i appreciate your candidness. and as regards to bob's response, i agree that there is much accommodation in the language of Scripture. but it is language God used to...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    point number two is peripheral to this particular discussion. this thread has focused for God's general, common, creaturely love for all (head for head). one side says this is not true in any sense...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    as i see it there is one main claim that they are making and that is that God does not, in any sense at all, love all people without exclusion/exception. in other words, we cannot say that God loves...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    where are the Scriptures, gurus, lexicons, etc. that prove that God does not ACTUALLY love all men without exception in any sense whatsover? honestly i have not seen such evidence. can anyone who is...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    i agree that much of the language of Scripture is language of accommodation. but i also believe that this language has meaning and communicates something that God wanted to communicate. God very well...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    that seems to be going around a lot here lately. so are you not providing it because you have none or because you do but you don't feel like providing it?
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    so assuming you agree that the Scriptures speak in this fashion, do you object to us also using the language of accommodation as Scripture does? or do we need to adopt a new and different way of...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    and why is that? because he is not able to substantiate his case and so he should cease trying?

    is anyone here going to actual supply some evidence to counter or explain the quotes and Scriptures...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    out of curiosity, was this meant to be a slam or a compliment? and would you or anyone like to deal with the implications of what turretin says?
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    i'm not skirting anything. where exactly does the article you posted prove that God has no love whatsoever for any but the elect (let alone that calvin, ursinus, etc. taught this)? can you highlight...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    nothing here says that he does not love all men without exclusion in any sense at all. if i say that i love my wife, it does not automatically follow that i love no one else or that i can have no...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    so would the following verses (courtesy of flynn) be a bold faced contradiction with such passages as Ro 9:13 for example?

    deut 10:18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and...
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    Re: John Calvin on John 3:16

    that's a dodge if i ever saw one. so i guess we have our answer. does this mean you will throw out your assertions since they are apparently baseless? this is what i was talking about when i alluded...
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