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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    I think this thread probably went farther than HF wanted it to go so I will leave it alone. Even though I don't follow alot of what R.C. Sproul writes, I believe he has a good series on this view of...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    What I find amazing are those who would rather wrestle scripture to say soon means 2000 years later. The liberals who claim the bible is inspired love Christians like this. They are not stupid,...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    Nick,
    I can see that what you really are looking for is a Catholic behind every door. You know I don't believe the judgement has happened. I don't believe you even deserve an answer from me. If you...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    This shows the different views known as full pret. and Partial Pret.

    http://www.apocalipsis.org/preterism.htm

    John
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    I never said all Prophecy has been fulfilled. But what I did say is that most of Revelation applies to the first century church in that it is fulfilled in the desctruction of the temple (which John...
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    Mary,
    This may be I am not sure. All I was looking for is what evidence shows late date. Not necessarily to disprove it. What I found amongs many searches on evidence of late date is summed up...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    I could no leave this alone. I find alot of statements, but no evidence of your statements. There is no internal evidence at all for the late date and that seems very shakey to me. Your statement...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    I missed this one last scripture:


    Luke 21:20-22
    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    21 Then let them which are in Judaea...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    Why is that a difference cannot be worked out in scripture instead of always going to some cult that may have believed this. This seems to be a habit. Your statement Nick means nothing to me....
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    Then you tell me, what types are yet to be fulfilled? Israel, a type of the church? You tell me what in scripture is left that has not been fulfilled outside of the resurrection and the appearing...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    1. I don't understand your point? What is it that you are asking me and what logic is it you are talking about?

    2. Who is Jesus talking to, Us?

    Matt 23:35
    35 That upon you may come all the...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    I believe the biggest point I am trying to make is that you can call the church a whore or anti christ or anything else, but the church is not a part of the whore spoken of in Revelation. This is...
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    So what is the difference between these two?


    Isa 65:17-22

    Peter 3:13

    How many times is there a new heaven and a new earth?

    John
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    Would you be speaking of this new heaven and new earth or another:

    Isa 65:17-22
    17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind....
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    You are speaking of types etc. I am speaking of taking scripture that says:

    Rev 1:1
    1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    In my humble opinion I am not sure you know what the term hyper-preteristic means the way you throw it around loosely. I can guarentee you that those whoever they are do not believe as I stated...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    Nicholas,
    I agree you can apply this if you please this way. This is why I qualified myself in the beginning, that if your are speaking of the whore in revelation, you must remember that scripture...
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    Poll: Re: Part of the whore?

    If you are speaking of the whore of Revelation, I don't believe that is how the Holy Spirit has defined this term. Jerusalem who rejected and crucified Jesus was the Great Whore. I don’t pay much...
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    Re: "faith in Christ" vs "faith of Christ"

    (Mark 1:5 KJV) And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

    Did everyone in Judaea and all...
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    Poll: Re: Did Satan fall from grace?

    I will once again use Adam as an example to try and make what I mean clearer. I am most likely not stating things the way I am thinking.

    Would you say this about Adam:
    Adam was created upright....
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    Re: Substitution and Imputation

    In all fairness to myself and to this forum, I have gone back and reprinted material to read. Especially in the Polls relating to these issues in which I could not fully or at all participate. I...
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    Re: Substitution and Imputation

    Right now Mary, I think hard and serious about what Peter wrote on Pauls writings:


    2 Pet 3:15-17
    15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother...
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    Re: Substitution and Imputation

    Well Mary,
    I guess if because I changed my view from the poll on Adam in Romans 5, because as my study progressed I could not find the support, makes me a universalist - I fall in a group of good...
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    Poll: Re: Did Satan fall from grace?

    Yes Greg, I understand and I agree this is what scripture says. From his beginning he was a liar and a murderer. What I am asking is do you think first of all that we can place Satan's creation at...
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    Re: Substitution and Imputation

    I find the only way that I am able to look at this situation at this time is as follows:

    In Adam we all die (physical, and spiritual). I have to see both reprobate and elect as spiritualy dead. ...
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