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    I believe that pornography is wrong

    Well why do you feel it's wrong?
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    Because it is defined as sinful by the Catholic church....why do you feel its right??

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    Because it is defined as sinful by the Catholic church....why do you feel its right??

    Because it is defined as "wonderful" by the demonic church


    Tell me something, if the church defines homosexuality as sinful, would you shun gay people? Would you think that it is wrong for these people to be gay?
    If the church tells you to go fight in a war against your country, would you do so?

    Shouldn't you have further reasoning than, "becasue the church said so"?? You should think hard, and state your reasoning and logic.



    why do you feel its right??

    Well, lets look at this from all angles, shall we?

    What if we lived in a world without pornography? Could you imagine how different our world would be? Probably not. Throughout our history, there has always been some form of "adult entertainment" Even hundred of years ago. It is most-likely that every man in the world has looked at pornography some time in his life. It is even more likely that some of these times he was masturbating at the same time.

    Do any of you deny this? Masturbating helps relieve stress, and contributes to our mental health. Of course "sex" would do the same thing, but how many people here have always had the oppurtunity to have sex with someone when they needed to? Probably very few of you. (In fact, I'm willing to bet none)

    Pornography gives us positive sexual stimulis without acually having sex. How could this be deemed as a "bad" thing? There is no chance of getting an STD, and no chance of any unwanted pregnancy.

    Another thing. Generally, who really gets "hurt" by this?
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    Again thats your belief system, i believe that the Bible is right, God will not tell me to go against my country, i will not discriminate against gay people.....its a fair argument, but again, their your beliefs....

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    i believe that the Bible is right

    Again, you do not have any thoughts of your own?
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    my thoughts are, although i myself believe it is wrong, i consider it sinful because it is said so in the Bible...

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    Corbin,
    You know we are christians and you also know that because we are christians we believe in the bible as being God's word totally. When we are reading scripture it to use is the same as God audibly talking to us.

    So when you ask:
    "Again, you do not have any thoughts of your own?"
    You are in away correct and this is why:

    -- New King James
    Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

    But corbin just as Dskmn said we believe the bible is right so our answers to your questions should not be surprising should they?


    Corbin why is porn good?

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    Corbin why is porn good?

    I believe I stated some positive things about it in my previous post.
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    Pornography needs to be looked at from a few different perspectives. The purpose of it is to stimulate a sexual response. The more explicit, the more stimulating. Or so it goes. These images can be of real people or artistic renderings either in visual, audio or textual mediums. Viewers react differently to each medium depending on their personality. I find the biggest issue critics have with it is when real people are used as the medium. From a legal standpoint, they must be consenting adults. What they consent to is their business so long as no one is being harmed. Personally, I don't like it when women are portrayed as commodities, which is how most pornography is sold. I see little difference between this and wives being required to live in submission to their husbands. The only difference is, there's only one consumer instead of hundreds or thousands. Men and women should respect each other on equal terms and value each other as human beings. No one has the right to control or own the lives of others.

    On the subject of masturbation, it is possible to engage in without having to fantasize about erotic imagery. It is a well known fact that children at early ages discover how to stimulate themselves during the process of self-exploration and simple curiosity. Sexual intercourse as a pleasurable act between couples is an alien concept to them. All they know is what they are doing just naturally feels good in much the same way listening to some favorite music, exercising, or viewing a scenic landscape elicits pleasurable feelings. How can this possibly be wrong?

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    Pornography needs to be looked at from a few different perspectives.

    I agree completley, questian. There are several aspects of porn that are an issue here. I was mostly talking about why it shouldn't be sinful.


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    Corbin:

    you said:

    "Pornography gives us positive sexual stimulis without acually having sex. How could this be deemed as a "bad" thing?"

    I think what I and man of us are saying is that porn is NOT positive sexual stimulus. looking at women Or men in lustful way that are not your marraige pratner is wrong. RTeally even looking at your marraige partner in just a lustful way is wrong. My wife and I make love we do not just have sex. Yes it is a biological function but that does not mean that everyway of hadling it is correct. So those are reasons that porn is wrong. And there are many other reeasons that do not have to do with you but have to do with the person being photographed etc. I will wait to see ho you try and justify porn. That to me can't be done.

    questian:
    you said:

    "On the subject of masturbation, it is possible to engage in without having to fantasize about erotic imagery."

    I do not know if this is true or not but if true then I see no harm in it. That is unless one neglects the needs of their marraige partner. That would be selfish and not very loving. As far kids go I do not see a problem with that if there is no fantasizing.

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    "On the subject of masturbation, it is possible to engage in without having to fantasize about erotic imagery."

    yah sure, you'd have to be a Yoga/meditation expert , *LOL

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    blackhaw

    This brings up an interesting point on marrige. I will think about it later tonite, and perhaps post a new thread on marrige.
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    Part1

    Corbin here are some studies done on porn I included the sources were they were applicable I know its rather long but you seem to want to know so here is some if you feel the need to investigate.
    This is a 2 parter LOL

    Psychological Effects
    Psychologist Edward Donnerstein (University of Wisconsin) found that brief exposure to violent forms of pornography can lead to anti-social attitudes and behavior. Male viewers tend to be more aggressive toward women, less responsive to pain and suffering of rape victims, and more willing to accept various myths about rape.(6)
    Researchers have found that pornography (especially violent pornography) can produce an array of undesirable effects such as rape and sexual coercion. Specifically they found that such exposure can lead to increased use of coercion or rape,(7) increased fantasies about rape,(8) and desensitization to sexual violence and trivialization of rape.(9)


    In an attempt to isolate the role of violence as distinct from sex in pornography-induced situations, James Check (York University in Canada) conducted an experiment where men were exposed to different degrees of pornography, some violent, some not. All groups exhibited the same shift in attitude, namely a higher inclination to use force as part of sex.(10)

    In one study, researchers Dolf Zillman and Jennings Bryant investigated the effects of nonviolent pornography on sexual callousness and the trivialization of rape. They showed that continued exposure to pornography had serious adverse effects on beliefs about sexuality in general and on attitudes toward women in particular. They also found that pornography desensitizes people to rape as a criminal offense.(11) These researchers also found that massive exposure to pornography encourages a desire for increasingly deviant materials which involve violence (sadomasochism and rape).(12)

    Dolf Zillman measured the impact of viewing pornography on the subjects' views as to what constitutes normal sexual practice. The group that saw the largest amount of pornography gave far higher estimates of the incidence of oral sex, anal sex, group sex, sado- masochism, and bestiality than did the other two groups.(13)

    One study demonstrated that pornography can diminish a person's sexual happiness.(14) The researchers found that people exposed to nonviolent pornography reported diminished satisfaction with their sexual partner's physical appearance, affection, curiosity, and sexual performance. They were also more inclined to put more importance on sex without emotional involvement.

    In a nationwide study, University of New Hampshire researchers Larry Baron and Murray Strauss found a strong statistical correlation between circulation rates of pornographic magazines and rape rates.(15) They found that in states with high circulation rates, rape rates were also high. And in states with low circulation rates, rape rates also tended to be low as well.

    Of course, a statistical correlation does not prove that pornography causes rape. Certainly not everyone who uses pornography becomes a rapist. And it is possible that rape and pornographic consumption are only indirectly related through other factors, like social permissiveness and "macho" attitudes among men. In fact, Baron and Strauss did examine some of these factors in their study and did not find any significant correlation.

    Subsequent studies have had similar results. Ohio State University researchers Joseph Scott (a man who testifies frequently for pornographers in court) and Loretta Schwalm examined even more factors than Baron and Strauss (including the circulation of non- sexual magazines) and could not eliminate the correlation between pornography and rape.(16)

    Michigan state police detective Darrell Pope found that in 41 percent of the 38,000 sexual assault cases in Michigan (1956 1979), pornographic material was viewed just prior to or during the crime. This corroborates with research done by psychotherapist David Scott who found that "half the rapists studied used pornography to arouse themselves immediately prior to seeking out a victim."(17)

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    Part2

    Social Effects
    Defining the social effects of pornography has been difficult because of some of the prevailing theories of its impact. One view was that it actually performs a positive function in society by acting like a "safety-value" for potential sexual offenders.
    The most famous proponent of this view was Berl Kutchinsky, a criminologist at the University of Copenhagen. His famous study on pornography found that when the Danish government lifted restrictions on pornography, the number of sex crimes decreased.(18) His theory was that the availability of pornography siphons off dangerous sexual impulses. But when the data for his "safety valve" theory was further evaluated, many of his research flaws began to show.

    For example, Kutchinsky failed to distinguish between different kinds of sex crimes (e.g., rape, indecent exposure, etc.) and instead merely lumped them together. This effectively masked an increase in rape statistics. He also failed to take into account that increased tolerance for certain crimes (e.g., public nudity, sex with a minor) may have contributed to a drop in the reported crimes.

    Proving cause and effect in pornography is virtually impossible because ethically researchers cannot do certain kinds of research. Researcher Dolf Zillman says, "Men cannot be placed at risk of developing sexually violent inclinations by extensive exposure to violent or nonviolent pornography, and women cannot be placed at risk of becoming victims of such inclinations."(19)

    Deborah Baker, a legal assistant and executive director of an anti- obscenity group, agrees that conclusively proving a connection between pornography and crime would be very difficult:


    The argument that there are no established studies showing a connection between pornography and violent crime is merely a smokescreen. Those who promote this stance well know that such research will never be done. It would require a sampling of much more than a thousand males, exposed to pornography through puberty and adolescence, while the other group is totally isolated from its influence in all its forms and varying degrees. Each group would then have to be monitored through the commission of violent crimes or not. In spite of the lack of formal research, though, the FBI's own statistics show that pornography is found at 80 percent of the scenes of violent sex crimes, or in the homes of the perpetrators.(20)
    Nevertheless, there are a number of compelling statistics that suggest that pornography does have profound social consequences. For example, of the 1400 child sexual molestation cases in Louisville, Kentucky, between July 1980 and February 1984, adult pornography was connected with each incident and child pornography with the majority of them.(21) Extensive interviews with sex offenders (rapists, incest offenders, and child molesters) have uncovered a sizable percentage of offenders who use pornography to arouse themselves prior to and during their assaults.(22) Police officers have seen the impact pornography has had on serial murders. In fact, pornography consumption is one of the most common profile characteristics of serial murders and rapists.(23)
    Professor Cass Sunstein, writing in the Duke Law Journal, says that some sexual violence against women "would not have occurred but for the massive circulation of pornography." Citing cross-cultural data, he concludes:


    The liberalization of pornography laws in the United States, Britain, Australia, and the Scandinavian countries has been accompanied by a rise in reported rape rates. In countries where pornography laws have not been liberalized, there has been a less steep rise in reported rapes. And in countries where restrictions have been adopted, reported rapes have decreased.(24)
    In his introduction to a reprint of the Final Report of the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography, columnist Michael McManus noted that

    The FBI interviewed two dozen sex murderers in prison who had killed multiple numbers of times. Some eighty-one percent said their biggest sexual interest was in reading pornography. They acted out sex fantasies on real people. For example, Arthur Gary Bishop, convicted of sexually abusing and killing five young boys said, "If pornographic material would have been unavailable to me in my early states, it is most probable that my sexual activities would not have escalated to the degree they did." He said pornography's impact on him was "devastating. . . . I am a homosexual pedophile convicted of murder, and pornography was a determining factor in my downfall."(25)
    Dr. James Dobson interviewed Ted Bundy, one of this nation's most notorious serial killers. On the day before his execution, Ted Bundy said that the "most damaging kinds of pornography are those that involve violence and sexual violence. Because the wedding of those two forces, as I know only too well, brings about behavior that is just, just too terrible to describe."(26)

    Sources:
    6. Edward Donnerstein, "Pornography and Violence Against Women," Annals of the New York Academy of Science, 347 (1980), 277-88.

    7. Edward Donnerstein, "Pornography: Its Effects on Violence Against Women," in Malamuth and Donnerstein, eds., Pornography and Sexual Aggression (New York: Academic Press, 1984).

    8. Neil Malamuth, "Rape Fantasies as a Function of Repeated Exposure to Sexual Violence," Archives of Sexual Behavior, 10 (1981): 33-47.

    9. Linz, Donnerstein, and Penrod, "The Effects of Multiple Exposures to Filmed Violence Against Women," Journal of Communication, 34 (1984): 130-47.


    10. James Check, "The Effects of Violent and Nonviolent Pornography," Department of Justice, Ottawa, Canada, submitted June 1984.

    11. Dolf Zillman and Jennings Bryant, "Pornography, Sexual Callousness, and the Trivialization of Rape," Journal of Communication, 32 (1982): 10 21.

    12. Zillman, Bryant, Carveth, "The Effect of Erotica Featuring Sadomasochism and Beastiality of Motivated Inter-Male Aggression," Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 7 (1981): 153-59.

    13. Dolf Zillman, "Effects of Prolonged Consumption of Pornography," a paper prepared for the Surgeon General's Workshop on Pornography and Public Health, Arlington, Va., 22-24 June 1986.

    14. Dolf Zillman and Jennings Bryant, "Pornography, Sexual Callousness, and the Trivialization of Rape," Journal of Communications 32(1982): 15.

    15. Larry Baron and Murray Strauss, "Legitimate Violence and Rape: A Test of the Cultural Spillover Theory," Social Problems 34 (December 1985).

    16. Joseph Scott and Loretta Schwalm, "Rape Rates and the Circulation Rates of Adult Magazines," Journal of Sex Research, 24 (1988): 240-50.

    17. David Alexander Scott, "How Pornography Changes Attitudes," in Pornography: The Human Tragedy, ed. Tom Minnery (Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers).

    18. Berl Kutchinsky, "The Effect of Easy Availability of Pornography on the Incidence of Sex Crimes: The Danish Experience," Journal of Social Issues, 29 (1973): 163-81.

    19. Dolf Zillman, "Pornography Research and Public Policy," in Dolf Zillman and Jennings Bryant, eds., Pornography: Research Advances and Policy Considerations (New York: Academic Press, 1989), 387-88.

    20. Deborah Baker, "Pornography Isn't Free Speech," Dallas Morning News, 17 March 1989, Op. Ed. Page.

    21. Testimony by John B. Rabun, deputy director, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, before the Subcommittee on Juvenile Justice of the Senate Judiciary Committee, 12 September 1984.

    22. W. Marshall, "Pornography and Sex Offenders," in Dolf Zillman and Jennings Bryant, eds.,Pornography: Research Advances and Policy Considerations (New York: Academic Press, 1989).

    23. "The Men Who Murdered," FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, August 1985.

    24. Cass R. Sunstein, "Pornography and the First Amendment," Duke Law Journal, September 1986, 595ff.

    25. Final Report, ed. McManus, xvii.

    26. Interview with Dr. James Dobson with Ted Bundy in Starke, Florida, on 23 January 1989.

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    wow, quite a bit of info...

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    Michigan state police detective Darrell Pope found that in 41 percent of the 38,000 sexual assault cases in Michigan (1956 1979), pornographic material was viewed just prior to or during the crime. This corroborates with research done by psychotherapist David Scott who found that "half the rapists studied used pornography to arouse themselves immediately prior to seeking out a victim."(17)

    Wow, this statistic is astounding! I had no idea pornography played such a signifigant role in rape crimes!

    Thanks Lts, for providing us with the facts. I'm sure this data will give all of us a new insight on the topic of pornography!

    Thanks
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