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    "Good Works" and the reprobate

    Relating to the outward good and civil good of the reprobate. In many places it would seem that man can, and is commended for, doing outward good (a non SALVIFIC good). For example:

    Howbeit from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, Jehu departed not from after them, to wit, the golden calves that were in Bethel, and that were in Dan. And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel. (2 Kings 10:29-30 KJV)

    Compared to:
    Now after the death of Jehoiada came the princes of Judah, and made obeisance to the king. Then the king hearkened unto them. And they left the house of the LORD God of their fathers, and served groves and idols: and wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their trespass. Yet he sent prophets to them, to bring them again unto the LORD; and they testified against them: but they would not give ear. And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the commandment of the king in the court of the house of the LORD. Thus Joash the king remembered not the kindness which Jehoiada his father had done to him, but slew his son. And when he died, he said, The LORD look upon it, and require it. And it came to pass at the end of the year, that the host of Syria came up against him: and they came to Judah and Jerusalem, and destroyed all the princes of the people from among the people, and sent all the spoil of them unto the king of Damascus. For the army of the Syrians came with a small company of men, and the LORD delivered a very great host into their hand, because they had forsaken the LORD God of their fathers. So they executed judgment against Joash. And when they were departed from him, (for they left him in great diseases,) his own servants conspired against him for the blood of the sons of Jehoiada the priest, and slew him on his bed, and he died: and they buried him in the city of David, but they buried him not in the sepulchres of the kings.
    (2 Chronicles 24:17-25 KJV)

    More "good" commended by God:
    In the seventh year of Jehu Jehoash began to reign; and forty years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Zibiah of Beersheba. And Jehoash did that which was right in the sight of the LORD all his days wherein Jehoiada the priest instructed him. (2 Kings 12:1-2 KJV)

    Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

    For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another (Romans 2:14-15 KJV)

    Now, I believe that the unregenerate can do "outwardly good" , but not a salvific good. But at the same time I would maintain that it is not good in the eyes of God:

    Westminster Confession (Not 1689 London Baptist Confession says almost the same thing, with the wcf being its father) 16:7 Works done by unregenerate men, although, for the matter of them, they may be things which God commands, and of good use both to themselves and others (1Ki_21:27, 1Ki_21:29; 2Ki_10:30, 2Ki_10:31; Phi_1:15, Phi_1:16, Phi_1:18): yet, because they proceed not from an heart purified by faith (Gen_4:3-5 with Heb_11:4, Heb_11:6); nor are done in a right manner according to the Word (Isa_1:12; 1Co_13:3); nor to a right end, the glory of God (Mat_6:2, Mat_6:5, Mat_6:16); they are therefore sinful, and cannot please God, or make a man meet to receive grace from God (Hos_1:4; Amo_5:21, Amo_5:22; Hag_2:14; Rom_9:16; Tit_1:15; Tit_3:5). And yet, their neglect of them is more sinful, and displeasing unto God (Job_21:14, Job_21:15; Psa_14:4; Psa_36:3; Mat_23:23; Mat_25:41-45).

    Notice it does NOT say good vs sinful, it says sinful or MORE SINFUL.

    Comments on "good" done by the reprobate welcome. Thanks

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    Re: "Good Works" and the reprobate

    Jesus said that there is none good but God. The elect are foreordained unto good works (Eph. 2:10)--due to their connection with the ONE good man, our God and savior Jesus Christ--but not the reprobate.

    Many of these scriptures quoted are from the shadowy OT era and do not clarify the subject under discussion. The devil does as many 'good' works as reprobate humans. No more and no less. He cares for his fellow demons!
    I got four things to live by: don't say nothin' that will hurt anybody; don't give advice--no one will take it anyway; don't complain; don't explain. Walter Scott

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