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    "New-New Religions And Sects"

    I've set up this thread as a place for people to note recently formed religions, cults, or aberrant "Christian" sects.
    The reason for this is that there has been a substantial increase in the number of these, and many are too small outside their location to be noticed. However all cults start out small. The Jehovah's Witnesses began with one man, so did the Mormons and the Moonies. No one doubts the challenges these cults pose today.
    The criteria for mentioning a cult or aberrant sect here, that I politely ask you to heed, are these:
    1: The group was formed within the last 20 years.
    2: The group either denies a fundamental doctrine of Christianity OR it engages in immoral, dangerous, or unbiblical practice while professing "Christianity."
    3: The group is not one whose doctrines are common knowledge.

    Please try to include a source for more information like a website or address too.
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    www.religioustolerance.org



    Homicides directed against the public:

    Aum Shinri Kyo

    The Family (Charles Manson)

    Suicides or homicides of their own members:

    Branch Davidians

    Heaven's Gate

    Jeffrey Lundgren

    Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God (Uganda)

    The People's Temple (Jim Jones)


    Solar Temple
    go in peace all things are great

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    Thanks!

    As you may have seen from my other threads, I already knew abt the Aum/Aleph cult. I don't think Manson's group is active anymore, although Aleph most definitely is.
    There are some Branch Davidian factions still in existence, and it looks as if they may follow some of the other cults' lead in rebuilding.
    Heaven's Gate is no longer in existence, neither is the People's Temple.
    The Movement For the Restoration is still active last I heard albeit with different members.
    I never did hear about Lundgren before, however.
    Thanks for your information!
    One I'd like to mention is here is in Southern CA, led by a man named Darwin Fish (no joke!). The cult is called "God's Word Fellowship" and it claims to be the only true Church. Its members picket any Christian church or event not affiliated with themselves, loudly declaring that God will kill anyone not in this group. For more put this address in your browser:
    http://www.whatisgwf.com
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    So by your definition Susan the Catholics are not a cult? (You seem to be knowledgeable and interested in the study of cults)

    I dont consider them a cult but most here do.

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    Hello Susan and Andrew,

    Susan: I only gave just one of many, websites that look at cults,
    but it is one I respect, some of the other sites eg gospel.com have many many more, but some of their "cults" are cults because of how you give a definition to the word Cult.

    The word "cult" defies exact interpretation, I Only gave you
    those which matched your criteria and mine.

    My definition of a cult is, any way of worship that imposes
    their form of worship upon another, or reduces personal freewill,
    to their commanality.

    I feel that when disscussing Cults, A disclaimer, if you will, of what you consider a cult to be, must be stated. Before one categorizes what is a cult. As did Christ- t- Alone and Kemie did.
    When they catergorized the Roman Catholic church as a cult.
    for it fits within their definition.

    Egs) A couple who in their own privacy prays in the nude,
    because they feel that clothing inhibits the spirit of God flowing through them, But do not force their opinions on anyone but explains them. would you classify this form of worship as a cult?
    my view no. Others would definately disagree.

    or if a religious practice supported that it is the right of the local head of any given church that they would not be in the grace of god if the wife were not be with child every two or three years.
    Is this a cult. I say yes, But others would definately disagree.

    Secondly is the determination of what a cult is, formulated into
    that which is anything else but they way I worship?

    Would true Bhuddism be a cult, or simply a different form of worship? My point of view simply a Different form of Worship.
    But to some Christians depending on stance This is a Cult, even though true Bhuddism predates Christianity by some 500 Years.

    Is newness necessarily a criteria for determination of a cult?


    Now: Yes Manson still has followers,
    Heavens gate still maintains a website
    Solar temple still lives although those members who are still surviving here in Quebec and in Switzerland formally denounced the avocation suicide as a base for deliverance.
    In the Joint Inquest held by the Swiss Government.


    Please note the categories mentioned are those who have committed Homicide or Suicide.

    Most Know me here to have a great belief in God but as I do not subscribe to any religious faith, ie Christianity et al. I do respect Religions and religious practices,( Upto my definition of "Cult") therefore my studies of religious scriptures, are from a different term of reference than say a Christian and Christianities terms of reference. Different, not that either are right or wrong, eg) I study scriptures for Understanding, Christians will study The Bible For Doctrine as well. As well they should for that is their belief. For me to study scripture for Doctrine is a diservice of my respect for Christianity.

    Having said that, From Christianity, I find the Power of God
    therefore, if others do to, I feel that unscrupulous teachers of Gods power can easily misuse this power toward there own ends,
    and therfore the trusting followers of Biblical blind faith.
    Which I feel is why most, while being unchristian in itsself, needs to cite Christianity as a Base.

    There are exceptions, but very few when compared to those cults
    who contrive their base from Christian basics.
    go in peace all things are great

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    Catholics a cult?

    Hi. I'm not getting into that debate right now, but suffice it to say that the Catholics do hold to many unbiblical beliefs (papal authority, Mary worship, etc.) However, I do not doubt that there are some genuinely saved people in Catholicism (those who trust in Christ alone to save them; NOT in Mary, their works, the church, or sacraments.)
    Check out "Catholicism" in the Apologetics Index for more detailed info than I can give. The address is http://www.apologeticsindex.org (I hope that link still works). Go to the A-Z Index, Letter "C", and go down the list until u see "Catholicism."
    I'm sorry that this thread cannot fully host a discussion on Catholicism (it does not meet the criteria for a "new-new" religion, cult, or sect, because it has existed for more than 20 years).
    However, if you like, you could start a new thread on Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I'd participate there sometimes
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    Talking lost in space

    Well for me, I have been following the studies of the Yahweists and Shepherd's Chapel until I noticed them going astray in teachings. Yet, how can I know the fruits until I investigate them enough to see them.

    Good poll to lead to discussions.

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    Murray's Shepherd's Chapel is a hate group

    If you are talking about Arnold Murray's Shepherd's Chapel, that is a quintessential white-supremacy hate group covered in a "conservative Christian" veneer.
    Find out more at the address I gave previously for apologetics index, look under "white supremacy." Also you might want to send an e-mail to Richard Abanes (a Christian writer who wrote a book and several articles about white supremacy cults.) His address is: richardabanes@earthlink.net
    Hope that is helpful, and I'll probably post some more helpful web and e-mail addresses in later postings, so keep looking back here.
    Thanks for your input!
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    Allot of white supremicist groups are covering their tails by using the christian god as support for their god. One notable one is Aryan Nations. Another group is World Church of The Creator, members call themselves creators. They are on the fringe of the white supremicist movement though, and are not well recieved by most other groups.

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    Exclamation Please note: White Supremacy Is NOT Christian

    White supremacy is not a Christian movement. Some Scriptures refuting white supremacy are Acts 17:25 and 26 and James 2:1 and 9. I'm using the KJV, but these translate exactly the same in most recognized versions of the Bible.
    The Christian faith is not one of hatred, but one of love. Love for God, not because we loved Him, but because HE loved US. Love for all our neighbors, because one who has recieved such unmerited mercy and forgiveness from God will wish to share it with everyone!
    I hope that was helpful.
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    I never said white supremicist groups were Christian. The point I was making was that some of them are using Christianity as a cloak to give their groups and agendas valedity.What better way to get people on your side then to get on the side of god and find or create passages and scriptures to back up your claims and to make you appear to be rightoues and morally right.

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    Susan said: "White supremacy is not a Christian movement. "


    ..........as evidenced by Jesus not being white.


    Hmmm. WHo would've figured?

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    If Jesus wasnt white then what was he? I know he was born jewish, but as far as I know he was a white man. I have a feeling jhamrick is going to be a thorn in my side on this board.

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    Middle easterners are white?

    Why is that offensive to you tyre, I'm honestly not trying to bother you, it 's just that the fact is, Jesus was not Caucasion.
    Actually I think the ethnic term is afro-asiatic. In other words, he would have looked more like Osama Bin Laden than George Bush.

    Do you disagree with this?

    What evidence could you possibly have that He is white?
    Hmmm. WHo would've figured?

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    Ok now I understand what you were getting at, my bad. I think you are correct in the idea that he would of looked more like a middle eastener than a pure white man. Again accept my appologies, I misunderstood what you were getting at.

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    I was wondering if you could classify Unitarian Universal as a cult?

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    Yes, UU is a theological cult.

    Unitarian Universalism is a non-Christian cult defined in the theological and soteriological sense, because it denies the all-sufficiency of Christ's death for our sins, the deity of Christ, and the sinful nature of humanity among other essential doctrines. Therefore its members are lost and utterly without hope.
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    Yes, I would also classify it as a cult.
    They do deny essential Christian doctrine such as was mentioned by Susan...also, the inerrancy of Scripture, the virgin birth.

    They teach that, "God's help is not likely to come to those who cast all their burdens on the lord"...they believe something like "god helps those who help themselves".
    Wereas the apostle Peter said in 1 Peter 5:7 we are to "cast all our cares upon Him, for he cares about us".

    Untarians have a "salvation by character" idea.

    Unitarianism is a product of deification of Reason, the rejection of biblical authority, and an indescribably fierce pride in one's ability to save himself from the awful penalty of sin.



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