Ye Know Not What Ye Ask

Q: What does the Bible say about the purpose of prayer?

The Bible teaches that true prayer is about submitting to God's will rather than seeking to change it. True prayer is fundamentally about understanding and seeking God's will rather than trying to force our desires upon Him. As articulated in the sermon, the nature of prayer is rooted in the relationship we have with God, where we seek to align ourselves with His divine purposes. It acknowledges God's sovereignty and our role as humble supplicants, embracing the truth that God's will ultimately prevails. This concept illustrates the depth of faith required to genuinely trust in God's plans over our own immediate desires.

Q: How do we know that Jesus was a voluntary Savior?

Jesus voluntarily laid down His life, knowing the suffering it entailed, as part of His mission to redeem His people. The sermon emphasizes that Jesus Christ's suffering and death were not by chance, but by His own choice and determination, fulfilling divine predestination. He explicitly states His understanding of the path before Him, including betrayal and crucifixion, while simultaneously knowing He would rise again. This duality reflects His voluntary sacrifice as a substitute for sinners, highlighting that His actions were both preordained by the Father and chosen by the Son. This profound understanding of His purpose underscores the depth of His love and obedience to God’s plan for redemption.

Q: Why is the suffering of Christ significant for believers?

The suffering of Christ is essential for believers because it fulfills God's justice and provides salvation through the atonement. The significance of Christ's suffering is paramount within Reformed theology, as it serves to satisfy divine justice and secure redemption for God's chosen people. According to the sermon, without the shedding of His blood, there is no forgiveness of sins; thus, His suffering was both necessary and purposeful. It demonstrates God's holiness and the gravity of sin while simultaneously revealing God's immense love for humanity. The suffering and death of Jesus as the Lamb of God fulfill all Old Testament prophecies and sacrifices, setting a foundation for the entirety of the Christian faith and the assurance of salvation as believers place their trust in Him.

Q: What does it mean to share in Christ's suffering?

Sharing in Christ's suffering involves enduring trials and tribulations as part of our spiritual growth and identity in Him. The sermon underscores that participating in Christ's suffering is integral to the Christian experience, often reflected in our daily trials and tribulations. First Peter 4:12-13 encourages believers to not be surprised by these sufferings, as they are a means of participating in Christ's work and glory. The suffering we face serves to refine and strengthen our faith, teaching us to lean fully on God's grace and mercy. Thus, these experiences cultivate patience and deepen our reliance on Him, ultimately preparing us for the glory that will be revealed at His coming. This underscores the idea that true discipleship is marked by both sharing in Christ's agony and His ultimate victory.

Matthew chapter 20. The text this evening will be verses 17 through 23. Ralph Barnard used to say, you'd better be careful what you pray for, what you ask God to do, because God just might answer your prayer. that may seem strange to you. But very often we pray and ask God to do things for us or to give things to us without considering what weighty, weighty things might be involved in God's compliance with our request.

Such was the case with the mother of Zebedee's children in the passage before us this evening. Our Savior said to her, down in verse 22, you know not what you ask. And that's the title of my message this evening. You will see as we move along why I've chosen those words for the title of this message.

You see, true prayer is not trying to change God's will, but rather it is submitting to God's will. True prayer is not trying to get God in a notion of doing what we want him to do, but rather it is us seeking to know what God has purpose to do and seeking his will by the power of his spirit. Now let's read this passage of scripture together, beginning at verse 17.

Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the 12 disciples apart in the way and said unto them, behold, we go up to Jerusalem and the son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priest and unto the scribes and they shall condemn him to death and shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify him.

And the third day he shall rise again. Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons worshiping him and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, what wilt thou? And she saith unto him, grant that these my two sons may set the one on thy right hand and the other on the left in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, you know not what you ask.

Are you able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of? And to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with. They say unto him, we are able. And he saith unto them, you shall drink indeed of my cup. and be baptized with the baptism that I'm baptized with. But to sit on my right hand and on my left is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Now there are five very, very important lessons to be learned from these verses of scripture. I want to give them to you. clearly and briefly, and I pray that God the Holy Spirit will be our teacher, applying each of these lessons to our hearts. First, understand this.

Our Lord Jesus Christ suffered and died at Calvary by his own choice and determination, by his own voluntary will as our substitute. In verse 17 through 19, the Lord tells his disciples the third time, he's already told them twice before, and now he tells them for the third time how that he must go up to Jerusalem and there suffer and die under the wrath of God by the hands of wicked men, but this would happen, not by accident, not because somehow he was not able to control circumstances, but rather it would take place according to his own voluntary will, deliberately. Now, the Lord explained this to his disciples in the plainest terms possible. He told them clearly and distinctly that he must go to Jerusalem.

That's the place where the sacrifice was made in the Old Testament. That's the place where the altar of God was. That's the place where the Lamb of God must be slain. He must go to Jerusalem and there he must be betrayed by one of his own familiar friends.

After being betrayed he would be taken by the chief priest in the Pharisees and delivered over into the hands of the Gentiles, that is into the hands of the Roman soldiers and the Roman government and they would scourge him and After he was crucified, he would rise again from the dead.

And this is what Luke says about all that. In Luke chapter 18 in verse 34, Luke says they understood none of these things. None of it. None of it. They didn't understand what he's talking about. It could be they didn't understand because they weren't paying attention. It could be they didn't understand because they would hear what they wanted to hear come from his lips and they focused on what their carnal imaginations wanted to focus upon rather than upon what he had declared. But whatever the case was, Luke says they understood none of these things.

Now these were not bare possibilities, but these were the absolute matters of certainty. The death of Christ at Calvary was a matter of divine predestination. Not only was it a matter of divine predestination, it was the central focal point of divine predestination. So that everything God purposed in eternity is related to what took place at Calvary. And the work of Christ at Calvary is the focal point of history as well.

The scripture says, our Lord speaking concerning his death said, now is the judgment of this world. The word judgment there is the word for which we get our word crisis. You know how that when someone is in the hospital and the doctor comes out with a grim look on his face and said, now the next few hours are critical. The next few hours are critical. That means something's gonna happen. that's going to determine the course of this disease, this sickness. Either this patient's going to die or he's going to live, and the next few hours are going to determine it. That's the word that's used in John chapter 12. Our Lord says now is the judgment, the crisis, the critical hour of this world.

It's the hinge upon which all history turns, and that is the death of Christ at Calvary. This thing that was done at Jerusalem then was that which God purposed from eternity so that Jesus Christ as the Lamb who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world died at Calvary by the purpose of God. But I want Jesus who died by the purpose of God also died by his own will as a voluntary victim of the horrible ignominious cruelty of barbaric human beings and of the terrible wrath of God himself. He died as such as our substitute. Our Savior knew from the beginning all that he must suffer.

He knew how he must be betrayed. He knew from the beginning how that Peter would deny him. He knew from the beginning how that all of his disciples would forsake him. He knew from the beginning the beatings and the mockery and the humiliation that he must suffer at the hands of men. He knew from the beginning how that he must be made to be sinfulness.

He knew how that he must suffer the horrible wrath of God Almighty. And he knew how that he must die. under judgment, under the wrath of God. Just as the wicked are cast into hell under the terrible, horrid wrath of God Almighty, so the Son of God must die under the horrible wrath of God himself. And he knew it. He knew it from the beginning.

Now there's nothing that can compare to the aggravation and the mental anguish of apprehending suffering. You understand what I'm saying? The thing suffered seldom in human experience. The thing suffered seldom is as terrible as the fear of suffering. Very seldom.

When you're well informed about a circumstance and you're fearful of what's going to happen, whether it's going through surgery or going through some trials and difficulty, as you begin to anticipate what's going to happen, the anticipation itself is far worse than the actual experience of it.

Now, I don't pretend to suggest and certainly don't mean to imply that our Lord's anticipation of what he would suffer could even begin to compare with what he suffered. But it was a great aggravation to his sufferings that he had total foreknowledge of all he must suffer. That gives some light, some understanding of what happened in Gethsemane when he cries, my God, my God, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me. Nevertheless, not thy will be done. He was in hope. horrible shock as he anticipated what he must suffer as our substitute. And yet none of these things moved him from his gracious purpose.

I never will forget the first time I saw this passage back here in Isaiah chapter 50 and saw the meaning of it, understood something of what our Lord was saying here. I was just astounded. Here in Isaiah chapter 50 in verse 5, the Lord Jesus is speaking of himself. He's speaking by the mouth of his prophet Isaiah, but it's Christ speaking. He's speaking of himself as Jehovah's servant. He says, the Lord God hath opened mine ear.

I became voluntary servant to Jehovah, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair. I hid not my face from shame and spitting, for the Lord God will help me. Therefore shall I not be confounded, therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed.

J.C. Ryle said in commenting on this matter of our Lord going up to Calvary in his anticipation of his death, He said he saw Calvary in the distance all his life through, and yet he walked calmly up to it without turning to the right hand or to the left. No sorrow can be compared to his sorrow, and yet he set his face like a flint to endure it. No love can be compared to his love revealed in his determination to suffer for us. Having loved his own, which were in the world, he loved us to the end. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man should lay down his life for his friends.

Well, why? Why did the Son of God voluntarily lay down his life for us at Calvary? Why did he voluntarily give himself over into the hands of wicked men for them to do with him as they would, and yet at the same time do with him exactly what he had purposed from eternity must be done? I'll give you four or five reasons.

First, he knew this was his father's will. He said in the beginning, Lo, I come to do thy will, O my God. What is that? By one offering, he hath perfected forever, limber sanctified. He said, I've come to do my father's will. And so he set his face to go to Jerusalem. He had come to do his father's will, so he says to his disciples, I must go to Jerusalem and there be betrayed and there be crucified and there rise from the dead the third day. This is my father's will.

More than that, he knew that without the shedding of his blood, there was no remission of sins. Justice must be satisfied, and justice could be satisfied in no other way than by the shedding of his blood. Our Lord Jesus knew that he was the Lamb of God, who must be sacrificed for the sins of his people, and so he goes to the place of sacrifice.

Again, he knew that without his death, His life, though it's perfect, His life, though it was full of gracious deeds, His life, though He was a great worker of miracles, a great performer of good works, He knew that His life, without His death, would be utterly useless for His people. Utterly useless. His life would be of no benefit to our souls. His life would be of no benefit to our souls, nor would his life reveal and consummate the very glory of God shown forth in his death. And so our Savior goes up to Jerusalem to suffer and die.

He knew that the whole of God's law the whole book of God's writings in the prophets, all the sacrifices given under the typical dispensation, the whole revelation of God's glory could be fulfilled and revealed only by his death as the sinner's substitute.

Blessed are those souls who know those things, who know the meaning and the necessity of Christ's death. The object of my preaching, more than anything else, For you, the object of my preaching, more than anything else for those who hear me, is that you may know the meaning and the necessity of Christ's sin-atoning death. For that's the whole of the gospel. Jesus Christ went to Calvary to die because that's the way God's glory is found in the saving of sinners. And there is no other way, no other possible way by which sinners can be saved before a holy and righteous God. Secondly, in verses 20, 21, and 22, we see that true believers sometimes behave in a very foolish and terribly sinful manner.

James and John, the sons of Zebedee, persuaded their mother to ask the Lord Jesus to give them the two places of highest honor the day next to him in the kingdom. Now Matthew tells us that the mother of Zebedee's children came and asked the Lord Jesus. Mark tells us that these men themselves asked the Lord Jesus. You put the scriptures together and you understand that these men persuaded their mother to come ask the Savior to give them this position.

Now, there's lots of supposition as to why they would go about it this way. Probably because they were clever, conniving fellows by nature like we are. More than likely. Tradition tells us, the historians tell us, not the scriptures, but the historians, by tradition, they tell us that this woman, the mother of Zebedee's children, was sister to Joseph, Mary's husband. And so she was paternally related to the Lord Jesus Christ insofar as his earthly family is concerned. And I suspect that they would maybe think kind of like I would. Now if I wanted to do something and I need a little leverage, I need to get somebody close to me. And you go ask what I want. And so she goes and asks.

Apparently, Zebedee never knew the master, but his wife was a disciple. Her two sons were disciples, James and John, two of the noblest of the disciples. But here, this woman and her two sons behave in a manner that's totally contrary to the spirit of grace and to the spirit of Christ. They behave foolishly. This is one of the marks and evidences of divine inspiration as you read this book.

It makes no attempt whatsoever to hide the blemishes, to cover the mistakes, to gloss over the sins, the wickedness, the foolishness of its most prominent characters. Makes no attempt whatsoever. If I write a biography of somebody, it would be of somebody that I have great respect for, great admiration for. And having great respect and admiration for them, I would try to cover up the wars. good things concerning them.

That's the way depraved men think. That's the way depraved men function. We show only the good side of our heroes, only the good side of those whom we highly esteem. But the Word of God shows us plainly the sins of the most holy men, the wickedness of the most righteous women. The Word of God shows us plainly the weaknesses of the very strongest of men.

Why is that? To demonstrate to us these two things. First, that this book is indeed God's book. It is indeed God's word. And secondly, to demonstrate over and over and over and over again that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Now these disciples were truly spiritual people.

Don't miss that point. They were, followers of Christ, born of His Spirit, true believers, but they behaved in a terribly carnal way. They behaved in a terribly carnal fashion. They were more concerned about their crowns than about Christ's cross. In this passage, which is ready, Our Lord has just finished telling the disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, there be betrayed into the hands of the chief priests and unto the scribes, and by then condemned, delivered to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify him, and the third day he shall rise again. Now, you would think, you just think, they'd be sitting down asking, What does this mean? What is this all about? Why is he telling us this? Why is he going to have to go there and suffer and die? Why must he go there and endure these things?

But he no more than got the words out of his mouth, then Zebedee's boys and their mama are standing there in front of him saying, we'd like to ask you Their thoughts are not with the cross, not with his death, but with their crowns and their glory and their preeminence and their prominence.

They come and Zebedee's wife comes worshiping him, desiring a certain thing of him. And the Lord Jesus said, what do you want? Not because he didn't know what she wanted, but because he sought an occasion to instruct them and his other disciples as well. And she asked that her boys, one would be granted to sit on the left and one on the right of his throne in his kingdom.

When I read this passage, preparing this message for you this evening, my first thought was, God forbid, I should glory, saving the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Ron, you go down there and preach those folks at Franklin Sunday, preach the cross to them. Lady, you go down there and preach the restaurant, preach the cross to them.

Don't let anything come before that. Don't let anything come before that. I'm astounded. I'm simply astounded that men so quickly, so easily pass by the most important thing and spend their lives things. They pass by what's plainly revealed, what's absolutely necessary for the saving of their souls and the glory of God and and spend hour upon hour upon hour upon endless hour trying to understand things they don't know anything about.

And yet they do. And these disciples did as well. They were unbelievably presumptuous. when they should have been overwhelmed with wonder and hunger. The Lord Jesus is telling them, it's expedient for you that I should go away. It's necessary for you that I endure these things. And these disciples are just right, they're right proud of themselves. They feel right good about themselves.

When they made this request to the Lord, the Lord Jesus said to them, Can you drink the cup that I'm about to drink? Can you be baptized with the baptism I'm about to endure? And it appears with very little thought, they said, yeah, we can do that. Yeah, we can do that. Why, that's a snap. That's a piece of cake. Oh yeah, look what we've already done. Yeah, we can do that. We're able. Didn't understand that. I read those three words and I think what unbelievable presumption.

But then I realized they were utterly ignorant because they didn't understand the Lord's words. They didn't know what cup he was about to drink. They didn't know what baptism he was about to do. They didn't know he was about to drink the cup of God's horrible wrath. They didn't understand he was about to be baptized, immersed body, soul, and spirit in the horrible sorrows of the wrath of God Almighty. They were more concerned about themselves than they were about their brethren. Oh, what self-serving pride surfaces so quickly with us.

These disciples come, the Lord no sooner mentioned his rising from the dead, they're thinking about the kingdom, and they said, oh, we got to get us a place of providence. They didn't come and say, Lord, Matthew, boy, he served you well, put him right up there. Oh, Peter, he's thundered the ball a bunch, but man, he has served you well. Put him right up there. No, they said, Lord, we haven't goofed up too much. We've been right here with you. Give us the promise.

And yet for all that, these sons of Zebedee in time became pillars of the church, pillars of the kingdom of our God. Now, why am I spending so much time talking about this? Because there are many believers like this woman and her two sons. Indeed, in some areas at different times, every one of us are very, very much like her. Every one of us. The flesh lusteth against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh. So many times our hearts and minds are wrapped up with carnal things when they ought to be wrapped up with spiritual things. I'll give an example. I'm ashamed of it, but I'll give an example to help you to understand, I think, what I'm talking about.

Last Sunday night during conference, we had just heard Dave Pledger preach that tremendous message on Do I Love His Appearance. My heart was just and wrapped up in the worship of God. Examining myself and crying in response, yes, I do love His appearance. I do. Dave Coleman sat down there to sing, How Much I Owe. And again, my soul was just stirred, broken, humbled, uplifted. And I'm sitting here, I had just finished writing on the back of my sermon notes a prayer to God, help me pray.

I'm getting ready to preach, I'm sitting right there and suddenly, I mean as if you just come in here and turn the switch off, it's suddenly my mind, my thoughts, my everything consuming my thoughts and my attention for just a quick turn from all those things to how long we will get That's overwhelming. That's overwhelming. Ungodly. Base. Vile. And frankly, I didn't know whether I was going to be able to get up here and preach to you or not.

How on earth can you get up and talk to folks about the things of God, such earnest things, and you so easily turn to carnal things. Some of God's people are very weak when they ought to be strong. Very carnal when they ought to be spiritual. Very ignorant of the most important things. Terribly proud when they have every reason to be humble. Horribly self-serving when they ought to love their brethren.

Indeed, we all are at times. So don't ever presume that a weak brother or a weak sister is no Christian dog. Don't ever presume. Don't ever presume that. God help us to learn to be lenient in our judgment, in our opinions of our brethren. True faith. I hope you understand this just exactly the way I mean for it to be understood. True faith is often found underneath the garbage dump called our flesh. True faith is often found in the garbage dump of our hearts and that's just reality. These fellas and their mother betray the garbage of human and yet they are true believers. Thirdly, the gentle reproof given to this woman and her sons is a warning to us all. Our Lord says here in verse 22, you know not what you have.

They had asked to share Christ's glory, but they never stopped to consider that they must first share his solace. Turn over to 1 Peter chapter four, or just listen as I read it, I'm already there. 1 Peter chapter four and verse 13. In verse 12, beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you. But rejoice in as much as you are partakers of Christ's suffering, that when his glory shall be revealed, You may be glad with exceeding joy.

How much like this woman and her sons we are. Now let me give you some sobering things to consider. We ask for God to save our sons and daughters. That's a good prayer. We ask for the Lord to teach us patience. Oh, I want to be a patient man. Patience, what a virtue. But are we willing to endure trial? You can't have one without the other. Tribulation works with patience. Can't get it any other way. Can't get it any other way. We ask God to make us holy, righteous, break us from sin. Judy just sang a little bit ago to shield us from sin. But are we willing to be purified by afflictions? Are we willing to go through the fiery furnace? Are we willing to go through the deep waters?

You can't have one without the other. We ask God to teach us to trust him. I can't think about it. Greater ambition. I want to learn to trust him, don't you Rex? I mean trust him. But are we willing to be cast entirely upon him? Can't have one without the other. We ask for the Lord God to use us. Oh, that when we leave this world, it may be said as it was of David, that we served our generation by the will of God. But are we willing to be used where God will use us in the way God will use us, leaving it entirely to his discretion. Can't have one without the other. So often we talk We see things, we say, well, I don't want this. I don't want that. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do the other.

We think about growing old, and we're getting, when you start pushing up toward 50, you start thinking about dying. I don't know why you put it off until then, but we start thinking about dying. When we're Ian's age, we think we're going to live forever. But when we get 45, 50 years old, boy, it won't be long now. I was talking the other day, we've got just a few years left. Just a few years left. That's reality. That's reality.

But we think about ourselves and our circumstances and we see folks and say, well, I wouldn't want to be in that circumstance, that circumstance. I wouldn't want to do this and do that. God knows best how he'll use you. God knows best how he'll use me. But let's quit trying to determine what he ought to do for us and wait on him to do with us what he will. I wonder if we can do that. These words apply to us all. And they apply to us far more than we realize. You know not what you ask.

Solomon said, be not rash with thy mouth and let not thine heart be hasty to utter anything before God. Fourthly, learn this. All that our Lord Jesus Christ did. All that he endured and all that he accomplished was as the representative of his people.

I've read the commentaries on this passage here about drinking the cup that I drink and being baptized with the baptism I'm baptized with and the best of the commentaries and the worst of them didn't say much. They didn't give me much help with it. And I'm sitting here looking at it.

And the Spirit of God seemed to say clearly and distinctly, there's only one way that could be true. Our Lord said, you're going to drink this cup and you're going to be baptized in this baptism. And there's only one way it could possibly be true. That they drank the same cup he drank and were baptized with the same baptism he was baptized in.

And that is he, as our representative, drank the cup of God's horrible wrath, and was baptized in the hell of God's fury. You see, there's only one way a sinner can ever be accepted before God, and that's through the representative work of another. And Jesus Christ in all this is our representative. When he took the cup of wrath and with one tremendous breath drank damnation dry, I drank the cup in him. When he was engulfed in the fury of God Almighty, I was engulfed in the fury of God in my representative. You understand that? Salvation's only by substitute. Only by the doing and dying of our representative, the Lord Jesus Christ.

As y'all know, Shelby and Bob go up every Monday afternoon, read the folks at the rest home. Yesterday, I was asked to go in. They're so good at it. Yesterday evening, she was talking to me. There's one gentleman up there she goes and reads to and visits with.

This fellow's a lawyer. Been a lawyer for nearly 60 years. And Shelby asked him yesterday, said, would you like for me to read the Bible to you? He said, oh, no, I've never been a very religious man. And they started talking about this case. He said, I've been a lawyer for all these years. I've represented a lot of people.

And Shelby said to him, called him by name, gave him the respect of his age, and said, who's going to represent you when you stand before God? She said, he just looked shocked. He said, I never thought about that. I never thought about that. She said, don't you think it's time? Who's gonna represent you when you stand before God?

Huh? The Son of God, that's it. Who has drunk the cup of righteousness and been baptized with the baptism of sorrow and death as my representative. Consequently, I have every right indeed to stand before God accepted and baptized. One last thing. The Lord Jesus Christ became voluntary servant to God the Father in order to accomplish the redemption of his people by subjecting himself in all things to the will of God. Now look at what it says in verse 22. I'm sorry, verse 23. In the last part of the verse, he says, to sit on my right hand and on my left is not mine to give. Well, isn't he God? Yes. Isn't he equal with the Father? Yes. Well, how can he say it's not mine to give? Because in order to save us, he voluntarily became obedient to the Father, the servant of Jehovah, and became in all things subject to the Lord God on our behalf.

But it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. He tells us that I have submitted myself and substitute, and this kingdom that I have won for you, this kingdom which is purchased by my blood, this kingdom, this glory which shall be bestowed upon my people, is prepared of God from eternity for a specific people. It shall be given to those for whom my father prepared it. It shall be given to those for whom I have earned it. And the Lord Jesus served the will of God to bring it to pass. Now as he served the will of God for us, let us now serve the will of God for him. Amen.

Ye Know Not What Ye Ask

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Ye Know Not What Ye Ask

What does the Bible say about the purpose of prayer?

How do we know that Jesus was a voluntary Savior?

Why is the suffering of Christ significant for believers?

What does it mean to share in Christ's suffering?

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